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Loki’s Equine Offspring: Birthing the Eight-Legged Sleipnir

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Published on November 27, 2017

Odin and Sleipnir depicted on the Tjängvide Stone
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Odin and Sleipnir depicted on the Tjängvide Stone

Everyone in my social-media feed is excited about Thor: Ragnarok these days, including the office staff at Tor.com. Somewhere amid the post-Halloween festivities, the conversation turned to Loki—because who doesn’t love Loki?—and someone happened to recall one of Loki’s more interesting adventures, the result of which was Odin’s eight-legged horse, Sleipnir.

What about that? they asked.

What about it indeed. According to the Prose Edda, far back in the deeps of time, when Asgard first came into being, the gods hired a mason to construct a defensive wall. The bargain they struck was that he would build the wall all by himself in three seasons, and in return the gods would give him the sun, the moon, and the goddess Freya.

Things immediately went pear-shaped when the mason asked if his stallion could assist him. The gods agreed, and quickly learned that it was a trick: the stallion had super-strength and greatly increased the speed of the construction.

But the gods were just as twisty, and they seriously did not want to pay the bill, especially the part that included Freya. They armtwisted Loki into finding a way to slow the mason down.

Loki transformed himself into a mare, drove the stallion wild with lust and ran off with him, and handily prevented the wall from being finished in time. In the aftermath, the gods discovered that the mason was a Giant and no friend to them at all.

The stallion was not heard from again. (Did Loki eat him? Kick him to death? Leave him with his own herd of mares, far away from any human interference?) But Loki came home in due time with an eight-legged foal whose name was Sleipnir.

The foal matured into a superhorse (and turned out to be a grey), and Odin claimed him. He was the fastest horse in the world, could run on air and water as well as land, and carried his rider to Hel more than once.

The Norse gods all had horses, except Thor who preferred a cart drawn by goats. But whether twice as many legs made him twice as good, or his supernatural origins gave him superpowers, Sleipnir was the best.

There’s a lot to unpack here. Loki the trickster is a shapeshifter from way back, and he’s not a gender essentialist. He’ll be whatever he wants to be. Or she. Or they.

Loki, according to this story, may be genderfluid or even intersex. This seems to apply to the Marvel canon, too, though there’s debate about the nuances of that. Is Loki male regardless of physical traits, or does he/she/they shift gender as well as physical sex, or is he/she/they agender or all-gender, or…?

The original story doesn’t worry about distinctions. Loki the mare seduces the Giant’s stallion with no frets or worries about gender identity—and obviously she’s got everything installed, because Sleipnir is the result. It seems to be taken for granted, as something that Loki just does. Loki doesn’t lay claim to the foal, either, once he (she, they) comes back to the gods.

That’s actually accurate in horse terms. Mares as a rule don’t cling to their offspring past weaning. In wild herds, the weanlings and yearlings will stay in the herd, but mom will be busy with the next baby and pretty totally done with the last one. Mares are not sentimental.

Loki makes a convincing mare. Smart, sarcastic, uncompromising. Knows exactly how to drive the stallion off his curly little head. Does he (she, they) take on all the aspects of the mare when living in the mare’s body? There’s no way to know. But as a trickster and a shapeshifter, Loki certainly has the capability.

As for the foal…

That’s such a Loki thing to do. Double down on everything, literally when it comes to the legs. The head and tail are singular, and the body likewise, so it’s one horse, eight legs.

Does that mean Sleipnir is an arachnid? Did Loki ditch the stallion and carry on with Mr. Shelob instead? Or better yet, Anansi or Spider Woman, one of the many-legged tricksters of cultures outside the Norse?

That’s going a bit far for original Norse Loki, even as widely traveled as the Norsemen were. For Marvel Loki, given the right creative staff, who knows?

So. Eight legs. In art they’re often portrayed as four across, fore and aft. This may have bothered or baffled some artists: they depict the pairs as hobbled together, presumably to keep them from getting in each other’s way.

When the legs are doing their thing individually, they seem to be more or less in a line, and moving in sync. And that’s fine, but a horse with a double ration of legs will logically be twice as wide as a normal horse.

In a driving horse this needn’t be an issue, but Sleipnir is a riding horse. All I can say is, Odin must have hip flexors of purest Spandex. Widebody mortal horses are challenging enough even for the wider pelvis of a female rider. A male must have to do a whole lot of stretches and splits to be comfortable riding the doublewide special.

And what are his gaits like? A horse with one leg at each corner has certain specific ways of moving those legs in relation to each other at various speeds. Add another leg at each point and your four-beat walk can get awfully complex. The canter with its three beats must risk complete leg-tanglage, so probably no canter. Trot, the diagonal two-beat gait, might be more complicated than the lateral pace which lets the legs on the same side move in the same direction. Gallop obviously works because Sleipnir is blazingly fast, and it’s mostly a leap and bound. Or maybe he has his own distinctive gaits that make maximum use of all eight legs? A rolling, progressive sort of movement, maybe?

The wiring of his brain must be fascinating.

Or maybe the “real” Sleipnir isn’t operating on four across but on four pairs in a line. Artists would go for what they were used to in mortal horses (thinking of horses hitched to a cart in pairs, and how the legs look), but who’s to say the genuine article doesn’t have extra body segments and movement more like a spider or a centipede: a rapid scuttle. That would make for less width to sit on, and more room for an extra passenger or two, which might be useful. Smoother movement, too, with a possible lateral-wave component because of the extra segments. Kind of like riding a cat, though not quite as slinky.

Is Sleipnir necessarily a he? We know there’s at least one offspring, the grey horse Grani whom Sigurd/Siegfried rode, but there’s nothing to say Sleipnir wasn’t his mother.

Grani has four legs as far as I can determine, so eight-leggedness doesn’t appear to have been inherited. Is it a mutation, then? Is Sleipnir a conjoined twin, with singular head, tail, and body, but plural legs? If so, the legs are clearly and individually functional, and the brain is able to move them without difficulty. Seriously without, considering Sleipnir’s extreme athleticism.

Maybe there’s more to it. Maybe Sleipnir is fully intersex: both male and female. Could Grani be the offspring of Sleipnir and only Sleipnir?

With Loki for a mother, and shapeshifter genes, it could happen.

There’s more to think about here—the power of the grey or white horse, the connection between Sleipnir and death or the dead, the way of the shaman through the eight-legged horse—but I’m saving that for the dark of the year, when we’ll contemplate the deeper magics. Science-fiction-fantasy-worldbuilding brain is ascendant here.

I really do wonder about the arachnid thing. Though the conjoined-twin thing is simpler in a lot of ways, and much less phobia-inducing.

Whatever the truth is, I have to hand it Loki-the-mare, who delivered a doublewide foal and lived to tell of it. Foals are designed to drive forefeet-first through the mare’s pelvis, which stretches but not that much. They’re a long but fairly flat package, with shoulders flattened even further by the placement of the forefeet, one ahead of the other. Four forefeet and double shoulders would need a lot of room to get through.

Probably Loki went all rubbery and expanded to fit. Or even turned into something bigger. Elephant? Kraken? Futuristic birthing vat?

With Loki, pretty much anything is possible.

Photo of the Tjängvide Stone by Berig.

Judith Tarr is a lifelong horse person. She supports her habit by writing works of fantasy and science fiction as well as historical novels, many of which have been published as ebooks by Book View Cafe. She’s even written a primer for writers who want to write about horses: Writing Horses: The Fine Art of Getting It Right. Her most recent short novel, Dragons in the Earth, features a herd of magical horses, and her space opera, Forgotten Suns, features both terrestrial horses and an alien horselike species (and space whales!). She lives near Tucson, Arizona with a herd of Lipizzans, a clowder of cats, and a blue-eyed dog.

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Vincent Archer
7 years ago

Given his various offspring, one can think that Ragnarok would have been avoided if Loki had stuck to having offspring while female rather than male…

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7 years ago

Some things are best not thought about too deeply. Sleipner’s eight legs and Loki’s sex life are among those things.

For what it’s worth though the Aesir don’t have the slightest problem with bestiality and sex shifting.

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7 years ago

Maybe Slepnir’s got enough shapeshifting going on that eight legs don’t take twice the room of four legs. I think that’s implied by some of the representations: normal horse body with twice as many legs even if that doesn’t really work.

Or given how some versions of Loki (or his kids) have him travelling through dark and shadowed places, maybe the extra four legs aren’t used as extra physical propulsion but for moving on more ephemeral kinds of matter. That would explain why Slepnir can run on air and water.

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LordVorless
7 years ago

I bet it costs a fortune in shoes!

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7 years ago

@3 At least we aren’t thinking about how Centaurs eat.

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TheWOL
7 years ago

Firstly,

https://jen-and-kris.deviantart.com/art/Look-at-me-animation-265079645

And secondly, Thor wasn’t the only one with a cart.  Freyja had a cart pulled by cats!  If you think herding them is fun, try hitching them to a cart , , , and then getting them to pull it.  That’s real Goddess Power!

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7 years ago

@9 But the animation is too quick to see what the gait is :P

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7 years ago

@7, Yes, that is something I REALLY REALLY do not want to think about!

About Freyja’s cart, was it drawn by lots of little cats or a pair of big ones?

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trajan23
7 years ago

RE: Aesir-Vanir transportation,

 

Freya’s chariot is pulled by cats….

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LordVorless
7 years ago

6, A possible explanation, but there are tales of various places having actual shoes from Sleipnir, and you can’t possibly think they’d be fibbing!

7,12, There’s an anime that covers A Centaur’s Life

9,13, That can’t be easy.

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7 years ago

Huh.  Despite the fact that the D’Aulaires were my primary source for all things Norse myth related (and ditto Greek myths), I never registered that they show Sleipnir with 2×4 legs — when I was reading the text, I was always envisioning it as 4×2.

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7 years ago

Loki has been transforming into a goddess from time to time in the comic books lately, which turns out to be nothing compared to this tale! I can imagine Odin saying, “Welcome back from your trip my son, glad you are back to your own self, and thanks for this handy steed!”

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7 years ago

@16 4×2 makes more sense to me. I think the double-wide problem eliminates 2×4 as a feasible arrangement.

Yes, I’m using feasibility as an argument about an 8-legged flying horse.

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7 years ago

@9/TheWOL: That’s adorable!

@12/Roxana: Two cats, according to Snorri Sturluson. He doesn’t mention their size.

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7 years ago

I like the Mother’s Day meme with a cartoon of Marvel’s Loki holding a card that says “Best mom ever” or somesuch, while a grinning foal-Sleipnir leans against him. 

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jgtheok
7 years ago

Somewhere between “conjoined twins” and “shadow legs” – take two alternate-reality versions of the same horse, then break physics sufficiently that both wind up accelerating a single body. Two horsepower with no need to coordinate eight limbs, though a rider might get a nasty surprise if the two components choose different gaits.

As for Loki’s private life… Sleipnir seems pretty healthy. I’d worry more about the wife agreeing to have a third kid after Jormundgandr…

 

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7 years ago

I loved the Celtic knotwork version of Sleipnir at the top of the article. The tangle of legs seems the most likely outcome of having so many of them!   ;-)

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Ellynne
7 years ago

I read that some consider Sleipnir’s eight legs a symbolic reference to the four men who were normally required to carry a corpse since Odin was also considered a death god (he ruled over Valhalla). He’s also been associated with the Wild Hunt, which some associate with Santa’s reindeer (I am not making that one up, it came up in folklore class).

What I’m not clear on is how the Vikings would have viewed this story. Did they see it as Loki being awesome? Or disturbing? Or did they just shrug, and say, “Yeah, that’s one way to deal with contractor who tries to overcharge you and it’s easier than going to court”?

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7 years ago

Eight legs can also be artist’s shorthand for “supernaturally fast horse”.

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7 years ago

@23, 24, does that mean the eight legs could be a kind of kenning? He asked, exhausting his knowledge about metaphors in Norse sagas.

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7 years ago

Originally the 8 legs could have been an early attempt at animation in a static medium.

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7 years ago

@3, I’m not sure it’s right to say that the Aesir have no problem with sex-shifting.  Loki and Odin throw insults at each other over the issue.

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Aaron
7 years ago

It’s probably already been said, and since I’ve not read every comment, I could be duplicating this response, but duplication is apropos, given the leg count.

Sticking with simple symbolism: Eight legs symbolizes four people carrying a corpse.

 

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7 years ago

@23, Apparently not a huge problem if even the All Father does it. Maybe just iffy enough to be fuel for an insult fest but otherwise ignored.

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Hilary Anderson
7 years ago

I remember reading in one book of Norse Mythology that Sleipner had 8 legs because he walked 1/2 in the real world and 1/2 in the shadow world. It simplifies things for the rider as he is riding a normal horse with 4 legs in his world but one which has the optical illusion of a shadow. 

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Keyrlis
7 years ago

Ok, I know this isn’t the place for such a question, and please, please don’t derail the thread just to argue senselessly, but it just struck me as funny:

Hmmm, a myth about beings that consider themselves gods trying to build a wall between themselves and the lesser beings, and then trying to figure out a way to not pay for it, going so far as to sabotage their own ranks to avoid building it, yet complaining about it not getting built. Is this ancient mythology or current politics? LoL!

*End subversive thought process*

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7 years ago

I always assumed that Sleipnir was long.  Excerpt when I used him in an RPG where he actually had four legs…but when he was running he was so fast that the after images make it look like he had two of each leg.  

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7 years ago

@31, that’s a good explanation. I always felt that Sleipner’s eight legs were soemthing more subtle than just him being octopodal. 

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BeauW
7 years ago

You’ll want to look up the Finnish all-father Väinämöinen. He lives in the far North, dresses in a red suit with white trim and rides an eight-legged reindeer. He also made a thing called the Sampo, whose exact description is lost but is something like a grist mill that turns out whatever you need instead of flour, i.e. a mythological santa-clause machine.

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CHip137
7 years ago

@32: I don’t know how well it fits with overall scholarship, but Donaldson’s explication (in the first Gap book) of Wagner’s version of Asgard represents that the Aesir are not nearly as powerful as otherwise shown — they need the wall for defense. Considering recent events makes this even more subversive — although the wall around Asgard never turned into a Maginot Line.

The first record of Norse myths comes from centuries (IIRC) after the Norse were generally Christianized; one wonders whether the written stories were … interpreted … through the filter of monotheism to produce a more powerful pantheon.

@0: I’m not sure the first illo is intended to show four across; it could be that there’s another pair of legs behind each usual pair, instead of an even distribution — which, as you note, would play merry hell with many gaits; even galloping would be a problem as the Muybridge pictures make clear that a conventional horse’s hooves are very close together at one point in the cycle.

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N T
7 years ago

Always wondered how Sleipnir’s gait would have worked.

Also, Freya’s cats were Norwegian forest cats.

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7 years ago

Look, I know this was all in fun, but it’s a MYTH. All sorts of odd things happen in myths. How about gods turning into animals in Greek mythology and raping human females? The Minotaur, product of a human woman and a bull? Yuk! No point in trying to figure out how it works, because it doesn’t.

I’ve read a couple of interpretations of those eight legs – one is that they are meant to show how fast Sleipnir is. The other is that as Odin is a death god, with sacrifices made to him by hanging, those eight legs might represent the four pallbearers at the corners of the bier. A bit depressing, I know, but it’s an interpretation.

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7 years ago

Ooh, Norwegian Forest Cats! That settles it, I want to go to Folkvangr and take care of Freyja’s cats!

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Anne Marie
7 years ago

Perhaps in ancient Norwegian plays, four guys in a horse costume would look imposing and could actually carry Odin on their ‘backs’. Although I wonder how they would act out Loki’s horse romp, and subsequent birth of Sleipnir. It sure would be exciting to see it acted out either by Tom Hiddleston or Matt Damon.

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7 years ago

I think some things are best left to the imagination.

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7 years ago

Glad there’s going to be a follow-up article concerning the symbolism in Sleipnir being a grey and Odin being a death god. Although I did have a moment of thinking “but he has white hair” before remembering equine terminology! :)

what I always find a touch disturbing about this is the way Odin is literally using his (adopted) grandson as his mount. Given how some of the Gods half-blood offspring are reasonably intelligent, Odin’s using his learning-challenged grandson as a mount. That really weirds me out. 

I like the version of the story where Loki is the one that drew up the contract, and convinced the other gods to sign, and that’s why they all looked to Loki to find a way to stiff the contractor when it looked like he could deliver. 

I love the way, out of all the possible options, Loki decided to bring out the sexy times as the perfect solution. 

What’s really interesting is the immediate circumstances around Sleipnir’s conception. The way I see it, there’s three options: a) Loki felt honour-bound to deliver what Loki implicitly promised the stallion; b) Loki led the stallion on a merry chase and was so overcome with desire at his stud-ley maleness and ability to keep up that Loki allowed him to “catch” Loki; or c) the stallion managed to catch Loki, and (not even magic) horses not being known for their understanding of informed consent, assumed Loki’s previous offers were still on the table (so to speak). I kind of favour (b), but I think the way the myths are written really suggests (c), which has the Trickster god being outsmarted by a (admittedly magic) horse…

i always thought of Sleipnir as being kind of like a biological TARDIS. He’s Dad was the same (hence being able to catch up with Loki despite Loki being able to use the Rainbow bridge to dimension hop) but being full-blood magic horse, there was no perception issues. Sleipnir being half-blood, he’s not fully ensynch with whichever reality he’s seen in. The extra legs are after-images of his multi-dimensional body being perceived by those in that reality, and being interpreted as extra legs as the only way they can parse the data. Like Cthulhu’s tenticles, I don’t think sanity will hold if scrutinised too closely. 

The time the Wall is being built in Asgard is in Asgard’s youth. It’s power is emerging. I’d compare it perhaps to Rome. Rome was an emerging power when Hannibal humiliated it. Later, Rome became more powerful and completely unassailable. Hannibal wouldn’t have stood a chance. Think of Asgard the same way. The early stories had them much weaker then the later stories. 

 

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7 years ago

Being the mount of the All Father and so top horse in Asgard is not without it’s appeal.

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7 years ago

@44 So maybe Loki knew what he was signing up for when he turned into a mare. As a shape-shifter, maybe he’s used to, uh, simplifying things by choosing an appropriate shape for “recreation.”

Also, if mare!Loki hadn’t wanted fun times, then delivering her objection with a hoof would have still kept the stallion from helping its master.

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7 years ago

I totally agree that Odin’s character is consistent with seeing no problem with riding Sleipnir, and how Sleipnir could see it as a great gig to have. It’s just (from my hopefully more enlightened modern perspective) I find the idea uncomfortable. It’s weird because I have no problem with someone with teleportation powers teleporting others, or a sentient species (like a dragon) allowing others to ride them. It’s also not as if stirrups and spurs existed in Norse times, so Odin’s capacity to be a cruel rider would be limited. There’s just something about a grandfather claiming his grandson to carry him around that feels (to me) wrong. YMMV <shrugs>

The (literal) impact of a well-placed hoof would indeed have the same desired effect of removing the stallion’s ability to help build the wall. So would have Wolf!Loki ambushing and hamstringing the stallion. There’s a multitude of ways Loki could have resolved the situation, and Loki chose sexy times… :)

The whole situation raises more questions though. Loki obviously has some skill with each form Loki chooses, but does Loki have enough skill as a mare to deliver the well-placed hoof?

While we’re on the subject of Loki’s control of their shape, let’s speculate on pregnancy. Did Loki realise at the moment of conception? Did Loki decide to remain mare!Loki for the duration? Or does some sort of higher power kick in and prevent the trauma of shapeshifting once conception takes place (given how many plots i’ve read based around shapeshifting triggers a miscarriage)? If Loki didn’t realise she’s conceived, was the first clue Loki finding she was stuck as mare!Loki once they tried a post-coital shapeshifting? How long is a magical horse / Asgardian god pregnancy anyway? Or is Loki’s shapeshifting not traumatic (the Marvel films certainly don’t portray it that way), so there was no threat to the foetus? Which means if Loki *was* aware of the conception, they have enough control over their shapeshifting to include the organs required to support the development of the foetus. If Loki wasn’t aware, then *something* (perhaps Loki’s subconscious, or perhaps a Higher Power) provided the requirements for the foetus to continue developing, either biological organs or magic…? And what was Loki’s reaction when they noticed they were carrying a bit more weight between shapes? Did Loki sidle up o Frigga’s handmaiden Eir (goddess of healing) for advice or one of the Gods more closely associated with animal husbandry (Frey springs in to mind, but I’m not entirely certain he’d be the one Loki would see)?

I did not expect to be thinking but about this when I woke, that’s certain! :

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7 years ago

Just checked my dates. Weird. In my mental timeline I’d always put the Christian Franks after the Odinist Vikings. Hence why I’d associated Odin with pre-stirrup Europe. <sigh>. Pesky prejudices. 

Wasn’t aware of those other devices. <shudder>. Hopefully Odin wasn’t a fan either. Is there any evidence for the Norse using those?

 

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7 years ago

Loki apparently has no problem with non human offspring, he brings Hel Fenrir and the word serpent whose name I can’t spell to live with him in Asgard. That turns out badly but not because Loki doesn’t love his kids. On the other hand only Fenrir really suffers, Hel gets her own world to rule and the serpent gets plenty of room to stretch out.

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7 years ago

With Loki as a parent, I don’t think any child could be considered “normal”, not even by Asgardian standards..

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Cyrus
6 years ago

I believe you have misinterpreted the meaning of genderfluid. Genderfluidity has to do with one’s gender identity, while intersex means both with both female and male reproductive organs. Gender is different than sexual organs, and as a genderfluid myself, it means that our gender fluctuates, it can be in the mindset of a female one day, and a non binary the next

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Hooloo
5 years ago

My favourite part is that Thor likes to travel in a carriage pulled by GOATS.

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Nyx
4 years ago

As someone who spent a lot of time studying Norse mythology as part of my Uni studies, I had a lot of fun reading this. But as much as I have enjoyed it, I have to state this. Trying to look at mythology from modern perspective and applying modern medical terms and views such as genderfluidity, intersexuality etc.? No, sorry but its so wrong. Norse mythology was integral part of a culture and religion that no longer exist and as such we have only limited understanding of it. But you can be assured that Norsemen were not trying to introduce us to for example something as concrete as birth defect when describing Sleipnir. Mythological stories were developped through centuries, born out of imagination, containing a lot of symbolism, metaphors, personifications of natural phenomenons but also human personality traits and hidden meanings… simply try to think of them in not such literal way, but much more abstractly 😊

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4 years ago

@52 / Cyrus – who was that directed to? Sorry for taking a while to reply. I’m going through old tabs to close off and realised I hadn’t replied.

I’m interested in how you perceive Loki. Do you think Loki’s mindset is static, identifying as male throughout their many forms? And you also seem to be identifying Loki as intersex, even though there’s no suggestion they simultaneously have both sets of genitalia, any more than they have hands when they are a horse or hooves when they’re a humanoid. Have I got that correct?

With the caveat that Nyx brought up (that we’re applying contemporary ideas to stories that were created when those concepts didn’t exist) my perception is that Loki’s form follows their self-image. They aren’t intersex unless they want to be. Their physical form is as fluid as their gender identity. Loki sees that strapping stallion and gets into the mindset of a female. She feels like seducing the stallion and being a mother to his offspring. So her form changes to suit her mindset, much as someone who feels more feminine on a particular day chooses their clothes to match. 
Then there’s Loki being husband to both Sigyn and Angrboða. He clearly feels male during these periods, and presents as male when he’s father to Nari, Narfi, Hel, Fenrir and Jörmungandr. 
So it’s my perception that Loki can be called genderfluid, because their perception of themselves fluctuates between male and female. Yet because they can change their form, their physical form can and does change to match their mindset. 

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